Curse

Div · Feb 04, 2008, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by Ruricu

It actually got the point where I wouldn't even switch to me 40/20/20 staff to cast aegis because it got P Leaked whenever I tried

Wanna give me your staff then? If you don't switch to the staff for casting aegis, what's the point of having one?

Thom Bangalter · Feb 04, 2008, 04:57 AM // 04:57

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

A mesmer would not bring e-surge just for the damage and vice versa.

Yes they would.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

It is not a 'cute side effect'.

yes, it is.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

When a mesmer brings that skill, they most certainly ARE bringing it for it's e-denial as well as damage.

No, they're not.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

It really does not take long to learn. Also, I'd think he will be bringing glyph and not something like return (which I personally prefer). So, he can cast even when on 0 energy.

use a high set.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Well this depends on what enemies you face, how good your team is and so on, so obviously the 'what you feel' is irrelevant. Again, e-surge and e-burn isn't the only e-denial... I don't think the fact that you resurrect with %X of %X energy (depending on skill used) should be over looked.

If you mean its better to die on your low set, I wholehearted agree. A better option would be to not die, or have a team coordinated enough that the monks are given time to regen energy from time to time.

JR · Feb 04, 2008, 08:11 AM // 08:11

The arguements for using a -5e spear over a +5e rest almsot entirely on hiding energy versus edenial. That set becomes a lot more viable to sit on when your energy pool is 10 higher, and it is a very good set to sit on in general.

Have a -5e spear in your pack to switch to if you DO face someone running edenial. That is however pretty unlikely, as nobody runs dedicated edenial in this meta, and hasn't for a long time.

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Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c

Damn you people! I wasted ages thinking my 40/40 prot set, +5/20% ench sword & 20/20 prot, high energy and defensive set were best choice...
Now I have to buy staff... ><
Tommy and Ibreaktoilets, you owe me 100K for good prot staff!
/fistshake

1. Roll a PvP character.
2. Press J.
3. Profit.

blurmedia · Feb 04, 2008, 09:03 AM // 09:03

Recurve bow

:3

IMMORTAlMITCH · Feb 04, 2008, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by Ensign

+5 energy is better on the spear, as it gives you more leeway to RoF, stance, and the like without leaving your shield when under attack. Put a -5 energy spear in the pack for unconditional edenial.

I disagree with this, the amount of times I've survived spikes because I've taken 0 damage from Surge..

The energy denial in this meta is limited to Surge and Shame, but it's still pretty relevant in the euro meta, the way dR plays I guess a +5 spear might be better cause you should never really run low on energy if you're never fighting 8v8 for prolonged periods.

elektra_lucia · Feb 04, 2008, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

Yes they would.
If you mean its better to die on your low set, I wholehearted agree. A better option would be to not die, or have a team coordinated enough that the monks are given time to regen energy from time to time.

You're wrong for everything except what I've quoted; however, for what I have quoted... The guy is new to GVG. You think he is going to have a team (including himself) that is simply not going to die? Interesting thought. You think he is not going to get p-leaked/shamed (or anything like that), or die and have problems?

Also besides weapons don't us stuff like superior runes obviously (don't know how new you are so sorry if it seems like I'm talking down to you). Read -ALL- the skills. So you get a better understanding of the game. Ok this isn't about equipment, but it helps...
Having shields vs X armour was mentioned, but one vs cripple is nice too.

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The arguements for using a -5e spear over a +5e rest almsot entirely on hiding energy versus edenial.

Dying, which a new to GVG monk might do... Teaching him to not be afraid to switch up (is nice for when you want to go into high set). Anyways, it is still better than your argument of calling me a tombs scrub (even if I do GVG more than I play HA, LoL).

I think you guys should look at the thing from his point of view and not entirely your point of view...

Eria · Feb 04, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

Hey everyone! Wow, 1 day and its already so many replies, thank you all for your input and such. Don't worry, I'm not new to GvGs and PvP, I've been doing PvP for a while now. Its just that i want to make sure i've got the right equipment for my monk as i am new to the correct setup for it. I usually play WoH/Infuse wit Aegis. I will have all the sets to satisfy all the conditions GvG brings, everyday its different =D
I was wondering, when i make the 40/40 staffs, i will have 30 less hp from my usual spear+shield set. Should i change my spear+shield set to compensate the -30hp when im in 40/40 set? just to keep it consistant? or have my spear+shield set wit 640hp as a more defensive set and stay on 40/40 more often? (cuz ive seen most monks in high-end gvgs just stay on 40/40 set and switch up during different situations.

one more thing..a good idea or bad idea?
Have a staff:
HSR all spells(20%)
HCT all spells(10%)
HCT all spells(10%)
+30hp

thanks again everyone

Tab · Feb 04, 2008, 03:19 PM // 15:19

I use -5e over +5 because my -5e sword looks nicer. Thread over.

elektra_lucia · Feb 04, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Pre seer crystalline sword, it's not +5 or -5. Win!

Thom Bangalter · Feb 04, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

I disagree with this, the amount of times I've survived spikes because I've taken 0 damage from Surge..

The energy denial in this meta is limited to Surge and Shame, but it's still pretty relevant in the euro meta, the way dR plays I guess a +5 spear might be better cause you should never really run low on energy if you're never fighting 8v8 for prolonged periods.

people run shame without MoR? weird.

NamelessBeauty · Feb 04, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Uhmm...I don't know why Elektra have so many comments here when he don't even GvG lol! HA scrub!

My opinion: I don't get why you want to use -5e when you are monking. +5 Spear + a Shield is much better. I find -5 is good vs e-deny (which I never see it for the last 1 year) or gain more energy after death. But when you are monking, you don't want to look at your energy and switch accordingly.

Here is an example: You are casting spell and look at your own energy, oh hey it's only 2 energy, let's swap. Oh crap, they spike, sorry I don't have energy to infuse/spirit bond. While if you are at +5, you woulda have saved him.

Note: It takes around .75s for you switching from 1 weapon to another if I'm not mistaken.

For vs energy burn on spike (not e-deny build such as fear me and such): Tell you what, when you are monking, you really don't want your energy BELOW 10. Because it's the minimun energy required to save your ally. 95% of the time -5e won't save you a single energy.

To "Thom": Yes people run it w/o MoR because it's almost the ensure e-deny + it stops infuse/Spirit bond. Beside running it with other elites will be much more effective.

~ Roast Bunny

moriz · Feb 04, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty

Note: It takes around .75s for you switching from 1 weapon to another if I'm not mistaken.

you ARE mistaken. if done properly, weapon swapping is instantaneous.

undeadgun · Feb 04, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

LOL roast, GvG tonight dont be late!

NamelessBeauty · Feb 04, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by moriz

you ARE mistaken. if done properly, weapon swapping is instantaneous.

I can't find any document from gw.gamewikis.com. But I just test out just right now. It does slow down. You can test it yourself, when you attack with a hammer, you DO attack slower if you change from 1 hammer to the next. It's not instant. Unless you can give me some proof. I used my eyes which can be wrong.l

To "Undead": LOL How the hell did you find me?

elektra_lucia · Feb 04, 2008, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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hmm...I don't know why Elektra have so many comments here when he don't even GvG lol! HA scrub!

? You're more of an HA scrub than me. Let me guess, you found out I'm male and now you dislike me? Awww, but you used to be so cuuuuute when you thought I was female </3. You hold at dead hours (if you even hold?). So please, stop criticizing.

I've played HA quite a bit but the guilds you've been in have been NOTORIOUS for being an ID1 HA guild.

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My opinion: I don't get why you want to use -5e when you are monking. +5 Spear + a Shield is much better. I find -5 is good vs e-deny (which I never see it for the last 1 year) or gain more energy after death. But when you are monking, you don't want to look at your energy and switch accordingly.

The for's and against have been discussed.

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Here is an example: You are casting spell and look at your own energy, oh hey it's only 2 energy, let's swap. Oh crap, they spike, sorry I don't have energy to infuse/spirit bond. While if you are at +5, you woulda have saved him.

Spikes don't usually comes at totally random times. There's plenty of time to switch also, at low level there's going to be time to switch even half way between a way pretty much (lol). This is not entirely a serious comment (just in case you aren't bright enough to grasp it).

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Note: It takes around .75s for you switching from 1 weapon to another if I'm not mistaken.

Lmfao.

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For vs energy burn on spike (not e-deny build such as fear me and such): Tell you what, when you are monking, you really don't want your energy BELOW 10. Because it's the minimun energy required to save your ally. 95% of the time -5e won't save you a single energy.

... -5 and +5 = 10 energy.

dirtydutch · Feb 04, 2008, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Why do you keep calling elektra an HA scrub, he gvg`s too.

elektra_lucia · Feb 04, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Please call me a PVE scrub.

I've only ever wanted to win HoH for the weapons in the chest. I've only ever liked my bronze/silver cape's because they made me look cool in PVE. Barely joking either.

Ensign · Feb 05, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

The energy denial in this meta is limited to Surge and Shame

PLeak?

I don't think that sitting on -5e on your spear by default is terrible, I just haven't seen an advantage to it in quite a while. I feel that turning off your ability to RoF, use stances, and the like earlier when in your shield set is a bigger deal than the extra ~7 energy you get when you die and are ressed with a sig on your shield set; 52 instead of 45 is good energy either way.

My feelings on this are guided by my experiences playing in skirmish, where the ability to cast longer and stance on my shield set is enormous. If I do run into targeted edenial I pop out the -5 energy spear without thinking twice about it; it's simply better in that situation for hiding energy. However that is fairly rare in this meta, and in the absence of fire and forget edenial the -5 spear isn't giving you anything. I'd take a serious look at a 10% HCT or 10% HSR spear over a -5 spear if you don't like the +5 for whatever reason.

elektra_lucia · Feb 05, 2008, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Could it be arguable that if he needs energy for a spike by switching up into a non shield set may not be a problem because during a spike, it is unlikely (unless he is the target of) he is going to be hit for major damage? This was actually just a thought running through my head. Also you mentioned the seven energy.

How much extra damage (if he plays correctly) will he take from -5 instead of +5? Assuming he is to leave his shield set. I don't mean leave it permanently. I mean such that he might get hit once or so? I tend to hold the view that if you switch up to cast (assuming you have experience) you should know when the warrior is built up on adrenaline or when he is going to use a skill on you. You can rof at the correct time and by NOT being in a shield set you take more damage but effectively being healed for more (by rof). I presume this had crossed all your minds or?

As for stances... I personally prefer taking something other than glyph. I wouldn't bring glyph on an infuser (what monk is the OP playing by the way?) but who here holds the view bringing glyph might not be bad for the OP in his situation? I think that it would probably be good. We all have our own views on experienced and good, I'm trying to keep my opinions out of it as much as possible due to the fact certain HA players/people not even in top100 want to refer to me as a tombs/HA scrub. This to me is like online people telling me I'm on line too much...

In conclusion I think here (perhaps I am putting words in peoples mouth?) -

With the builds that lower end people play.
With the experience the guy has and perhaps with what he might be running the conclusion is:

Bringing a +5 or -5 isn't really the end of the world and now we can move on to help him with other parts of equipment? Only weapons were mentioned so far.

Div · Feb 05, 2008, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

How much extra damage (if he plays correctly) will he take from -5 instead of +5?

About 10-25% more for the duration of the cast(s) from base damage.

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I tend to hold the view that if you switch up to cast (assuming you have experience) you should know when the warrior is built up on adrenaline or when he is going to use a skill on you.

Say you've used up 25 energy. In that case, you'd have 0/25 in your base set, and even if you know the warrior is built up ready to use a skill on you, you're forced to swap up and prot yourself. And it's generally the case that when the warrior is built up that you have to cast. So having to leave your shield set to cast during that time will be dangerous.

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You can rof at the correct time and by NOT being in a shield set you take more damage but effectively being healed for more (by rof). I presume this had crossed all your minds or?

But that's...dumb. First of all, you don't want to be RoFing when you can throw a better prot like guardian on yourself. Secondly, if you really want to take more damage for some obscure reason, you can switch out of your shield set regardless of if it's 25 or 35. Just remember they're going to likely hit you more times than just that RoF trigger.

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Bringing a +5 or -5 isn't really the end of the world and now we can move on to help him with other parts of equipment? Only weapons were mentioned so far.

10% HSR imo :P